Curse

athariel · Sep 21, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

heh, i wanted to play "the game as it's supposed to be played", spent half an hour on my ele looking for DoA Zbounty quest, didn't even get an invitation (some kind person told me that they only look for bip,bonder and tank).

so what's there else to do than SC ;P

Benderama · Sep 21, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

don't take this the wrong way i love perma SFs, shows how the player can create invincibility e.t.c. and its great being ran by them. but would be nice to see whether they open up another route for soloing, would be nice to see another proffesion get this kind of treatment, maybe some players would look into the shadow arts line of skills without shadow form?

Jeydra · Sep 21, 2009, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by traversc

Btw, you do realize you are being entirely facetious. Do you honestly believe that people were there to "have fun"?

Yes.

What's the point of posting the screenshot if it's just a target for you to beat?

AtomicMew · Sep 22, 2009, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Yes.

And how many of those players do you think would have been satisfied with a free run?

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What's the point of posting the screenshot if it's just a target for you to beat?

Since you basically cherry-picked your screen shot with no regard for the point being made, it shouldn't be possible for me to beat it anyway?

At any rate, one of us has to post first, and since you already have yours, you might as well. (I probably won't be able to get a screen shot until this weekend though.)

Jeydra · Sep 22, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by traversc

And how many of those players do you think would have been satisfied with a free run?

Probably quite a lot because they can't find teams to do it otherwise and they're tired of PuGGing teams that fail (which is why some people charging 20k / run (<-- LOL) actually got a full team.

What's your point?

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Originally Posted by traversc

At any rate, one of us has to post first, and since you already have yours, you might as well. (I probably won't be able to get a screen shot until this weekend though.)

I've already told you what screenshot I'm using, so you post first, or you could wait until you have a screenshot with more people to post. Or you could say you have a screenshot with some distinctive things and then I post first, up to you.

Eluvatar · Sep 22, 2009, 05:13 AM // 05:13

I dont think they should nerf raptors if they do the only think I think needs to be fixed is uwsc and maby make uwsc easier for other groups its impossible to do uw without a perma.. least from my xp it is. cause its the "hardest" thing/area in the game and 2-3 people can solo it with 1 type of build, doa is good cause it takes 3 diffrent builds to do and its not as uber hard as uw or as easy with perma.

AtomicMew · Sep 23, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Probably quite a lot because they can't find teams to do it otherwise and they're tired of PuGGing teams that fail (which is why some people charging 20k / run (<-- LOL) actually got a full team.

What's your point?

The question was rhetorical. People aren't there "for fun." They're there to finish up their EotN title and honestly most people don't care how it's done.

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I've already told you what screenshot I'm using, so you post first, or you could wait until you have a screenshot with more people to post. Or you could say you have a screenshot with some distinctive things and then I post first, up to you.

No u post first.

Btw, it's hardly fair anymore, considering Aion just came out. How about this: I'll post first if you find another screen shot from after this date. Otherwise, you post first.

Jeydra · Sep 23, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by traversc

The question was rhetorical. People aren't there "for fun." They're there to finish up their EotN title and honestly most people don't care how it's done.

Perhaps.

What's that got to do with the issue at hand?

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Originally Posted by traversc

No u post first.

Btw, it's hardly fair anymore, considering Aion just came out. How about this: I'll post first if you find another screen shot from after this date. Otherwise, you post first.

You didn't take a screenshot from before the Aion release?

If you want a screenshot from after the Aion release, OK, but it'll take a while since I have to wait for the next ZQ that can't be H/H'ed - I suspect that for easy ZQs there're lots of people doing it still, they just H/H it and so don't show up on party search.

Effendi Westland · Sep 23, 2009, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

since I have to wait for the next ZQ that can't be H/H'ed

When you find it, let me know, I'm looking for a challenge.

Jeydra · Sep 23, 2009, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Let me rephrase, "can't be H/H'ed easily".

QueenofDeath · Sep 23, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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People aren't there "for fun." They're there to finish up their EotN title and honestly most people don't care how it's done.

Where do these magicians find this miraculous ability to read 1000's of minds and learn how people like to play or why they play??? lol Why don't YOU just state YOUR opinions with "YOU" don't play for fun and YOU are just there to finish up your EotN title and YOU don't care how it's done? Stop speaking for 1000's which you have no clue how they think and why they play. It just makes you look dumb and childish.

AtomicMew · Sep 24, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Where do these magicians find this miraculous ability to read 1000's of minds and learn how people like to play or why they play???

WTS double standard.

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lol Why don't YOU just state YOUR opinions with "YOU" don't play for fun and YOU are just there to finish up your EotN title and YOU don't care how it's done?

You realize that's exactly what I did? Don't interject if you're not even going to bother reading more than a post.

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Stop speaking for 1000's which you have no clue how they think and why they play. It just makes you look dumb and childish.

When I see ~500 people at a time in ToA daily, I have no clue and I'm just making things up? I'm "dumb and childish"? Grow up dude....

@Jeydra:

Here ya go. There were 6 districts and I got into d4. If you can find a better screenshot, great. I'll honor our bet, but I think you're being dishonest if you say this screenshot doesn't prove the point.

I'm done.

Jeydra · Sep 25, 2009, 12:19 AM // 00:19

That's going to be hard to compare since you didn't screenshot everyone ...

But here you are - the screens from Duncan + that from the ZMission on that day, think it was Borlis Pass. There were a lot more people doing Rand / Thommis / Forge than normal, which is to be expected since I too needed Rand + Thommis before I could do Duncan that day.

Counting everyone not looking for VSF and ignoring the ambiguous "BIP LFG", there are 54 people doing the Duncan ZQ that day (at that time) and 15 people doing the Borlis Pass ZM for a total of 69.

EDIT: Forgot to attach.

Jeydra · Sep 29, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Do you owe me 50k or is it the other way round? Because, truth be told, I think you owe me 50k - if you count everyone in your screenshot that are doing UWSC, plus those that are ambiguous, you have less than 40 people in those screenshots, which is well below the 69 that I got, unless the 11 groups that are seeking a party but not screenshotted have an average of like 3 people per group.

Keyez · Sep 30, 2009, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Some people are saying the shadow form nerf is coming next update.

Martin Alvito · Sep 30, 2009, 07:55 AM // 07:55

And is that October or November? The wording of the last Dev Update would seem to suggest November, but it may refer to PvP balance changes only.

Keyez · Sep 30, 2009, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Not sure, it's all talk atm though. Will definitely be a shock to people who haven't been keeping updated, though.

QueenofDeath · Sep 30, 2009, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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When I see ~500 people at a time in ToA daily, I have no clue and I'm just making things up? I'm "dumb and childish"? Grow up dude....

Welp caught him in his lie this time because you can't see 500 people at a time in TOA the districts don't even hold anywhere near that many. And I'm sure he's going to come back and say he went from district to district COUNTING them and CHECKING EACH NAME to be sure they weren't someone he already counted in another district. lol Grow up yourself dude. lol roflmoa

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Ġ ō Đ¹ · Sep 30, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Eluvatar

its impossible to do uw without a perma.. least from my xp it is. cause its the "hardest" thing/area in the game and 2-3 people can solo it with 1 type of build, doa is good cause it takes 3 diffrent builds to do and its not as uber hard as uw or as easy with perma.

i cant even start to explain how wrong you are my friend

UW is no where near at the difficulty of DoA not only can a perma not survive most DoA areas without a bonder there are monks in every group on monks that heal in UW are smites...the mobs are much larger hit through shadowform in all of the areas gloom,veil,foundy,and city and are in general much more difficult than UW which IMO is a joke

Martin Alvito · Sep 30, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Eluvatar

its impossible to do uw without a perma..

So when we were developing UWSC, we couldn't finish before we added in the perma, right? The original 3x Ursan, 3x Mo, 1x Obs Flesh, 1x R group failed every time until we got smart?

No, it just took an hour. We eventually got the time down into the high 30s with 3x Obs Flesh and no Chamber sin. Adding the sin to clear Chamber (rather than having the big Vale/Chamber/Mountain party do it) saved about ten minutes, and the abuse of PvE skills to clear Mountain solo saved about as much.

You can do it without perma. It just takes a bit longer. We were under 30 minutes with Obs Flesh and a stupid inefficient Vale/Mountain team. It would probably take 25-30 minutes, rather than 15, to complete a UWSC abusing Obs Flesh with everything people have already figured out.